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we are the most guilty issues that come

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from them oh that's tough i bought a su

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keep it welcome to the skeptic zone the

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podcast from australia for science and

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hello from Richard Saunders in Sydney

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Australia welcome indeed to the skeptic

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zone episode number 121 for the eleventh

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of februari 2011 and that little clip

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you heard before the music was from oslo

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norway where a lovely young lady by the

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name of kristin carlson led the local

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skeptics in the 10 23 anti homeopathy

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campaign now I played that little clip

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to demonstrate that all over the world

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people are standing up consumers and

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skeptics standing up and saying this

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stuff is a scam more on that later in

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the show and what a show we have for you

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this week I interview filmmaker Blake

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Freeman from Los Angeles about his

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latest movie god Bless America which is

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coming out in the United States and

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March followed by Australia a

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fascinating movie documentary where

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Blake travels across the United States

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in search of the paranormal following

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that we have maynard's spooky action at

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a distance maynard's going to be

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chatting to a CSIRO scientists about a

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new death ray well not really a Death

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Ray but some interesting science and the

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audio from Maynard this week is courtesy

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of our friends at ABC radio then we have

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a clip from Radio to Yui here in Sydney

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where our brand new best friend media

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commentators Tracy Spicer once again

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takes Merrill Dory from the Australian

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anti-vaccination at work to task on

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radio and she gets a call from a certain

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friend of ours named ratbag Peter

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managed following that we have dr.

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Richie reports where dr. Reggie looks at

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an interesting website set up by the

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Australian Government to advise us all

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about the medicines we take and rach he

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finds a few problems there rach's been

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very busy because following that she

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goes out with us to the 1020

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3 campaign' protest here in Sydney

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Australia and record some interviews

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amongst them with me and wrap up the

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show we have James Randi with his

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statement and challenge regarding

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homeopathy and don't forget you can get

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more background information links and so

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but for now sit back grab that nice cup

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of coffee nice brewed coffee and enjoy

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isn't it funny how I knock at your door

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can change your life forever

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unfortunately that knock had me wearing

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a pink tutu and running from neo-nazi

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skinheads so that's me Blake and this is

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the old man that got me here where I eat

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Leroy he's a true believer are you

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really honestly deep in your heart leave

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that you have to spend money to save

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yourself from alien abduction yeah in a

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certain extent meet Blake he's not alien

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psychics and ghosts I'm gonna take this

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guy across the country and proved to him

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that this stuff is not real all right

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are you guys excited to be here at the

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UFO festival got on my spaceship this

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morning and at my life day and I'm here

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so we're ready to work it for instance

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anal probing if the aliens are so

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advanced once they've been up one asks

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they all the asses are probably the same

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kind of to do if they're so far day you

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you would have make we do there's some

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something going on there why do I have

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two ears two noses man you've got one

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note you brother dear mother was raped

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by aliens not raped artificially

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inseminated the same way Jesus was

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provided to put Jesus wasn't in part of

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and joining me now on the line from Los

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Angeles is filmmaker Blake Freeman hello

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Blake hello Richard how are you thank

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you for having me that's my pleasure now

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I've only caught a little bit of what's

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going on with god bless america through

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the clips and the resources online looks

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very interesting let me kick off

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straight away by asking you about the

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the name the title of the documentary

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why is it called god bless america so

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it's just a play on you know as a play

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on the word just because II you know

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it's kind of when you get out there on

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this road trip like we took and we heard

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some of the things that we heard about

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you know alien psychics and paranormal

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it makes you say God bless america

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almost less you for feeling sorry for

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our country so so it's almost like

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you're saying in frustration to I guess

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it is it is definitely it definitely was

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frustration and a little bit of

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different disbelief actually that's

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that's interesting because it certainly

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comes across as that in a few very few

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online resources and clips I've seen now

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Blake I understand that you have

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attended the amazing meeting in Las

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Vegas oh I did you know it was part of

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that was one of our stops in fact we

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came straight from the I guess national

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alien convention in Roswell New Mexico

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where the famous supposed crash site was

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and then we went straight to the to the

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the skeptics convention in Las Vegas and

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I can tell you there's a big difference

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in the attendees of both conferences hi

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i can imagine you're absolutely right do

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you have plans to come back to the

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amazing meeting maybe this year I I you

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know what I'm definitely coming back

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this year I I met a lot of great people

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interviewed a lot of great people I

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spent a lot of time spent some time with

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adam savage from mythbusters that show

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for discovery that he has and it was

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very popular in Australia ok and Adams a

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great guy we've had a lot of laughs and

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we you know he's actually in the movie

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but not the actual movie

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selfies in the the extras for the DVD

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and he's also at the end and roll

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credits fantastic yes I have the

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pleasure of knowing Adam Savage myself i

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visited the Mythbusters location one day

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and he was charming absolutely charming

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man and I love to catch up with him at

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these great conventions so I look

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forward to catching up with you in

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person then later on this year the

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amazing meeting nine in Las Vegas I want

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to ask you a question here about what

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I've seen about the movie it says or

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your philosophy was to take this

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fantastic guy you found Leroy and we'll

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get to Leroy at a moment travel around

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America and you set out to really debunk

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all the craziness going out there which

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I must say is a little different to what

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the classical skeptical outlook is which

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is to really investigate did you did you

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set up specifically to debunk or were

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you happy to investigate no you know we

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went out and I went out with no

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preconceived notions on you know I know

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I i have disbelief that aliens are

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visiting our plan on any level right now

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whether it be a different dimension nori

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I I just feel that to say that there's

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not life out there and this best you

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know these universes a that's insane of

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course there's probably you know to say

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that were the only ones is just an

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egotistical thought to me but for

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Leroy's sake after I met this man I said

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you know what I'm not going to throw

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anything at him right now I did not go

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at him like a bill maher religulous

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where he just tells you you're wrong I

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you know I said let's go find out if

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this is real I said how many people

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really spent you know a few hundred

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thousand dollars which you know we spend

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a half a million dollars trying to

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figure out if this stuff was real Wow

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and so I said let's go do it and and

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that was how we got the idea and that

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was that was my mindset you know to go

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into this that's that's exactly the sort

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of outlook I would certainly do if I was

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to do a similar sort of project and you

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it's a classic case of Oh somebody's

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come up with this idea why didn't i

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think of it because i think it's a great

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idea

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let's talk a little bit about Leroy to

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Cena this fantastic guy you travel

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around with how on earth did you find

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him you know Leroy actually delivered

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food he delivered pizza to my house and

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the day the evening he came the bill

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came to eighty eight dollars and eighty

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eight cents now we were having a

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production meeting for another project

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that we have when we Roy came in he

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started telling me that you know started

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talking about numerology and because my

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bill was eighty eight dollars and eighty

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eight cents i'm going to have triple

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wealth and prosperity and he was going

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on and on and i normally don't chat with

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delivery food delivery guys that often

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but you know here is a 68 year old man

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at the time and i'm saying to him why in

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my own mind and i did say to him why are

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you still having to deliver food and you

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know that conversation in about 20

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minutes um which you know by the way i'm

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not sure if he probably should have been

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fired for staying so long you know it

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got onto the subject of aliens and i

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instantly knew that this was kind of my

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guy you know this was i always wanted to

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do a movie about a couple of things that

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I found a little ridiculous and some of

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them are a little bit in the abstract

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art world and and we ended up when I met

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Leroy it was a perfect fit and I asked

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him if he wanted to go on a journey and

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he said as long as it pays and as long

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as it's legal and I said alright three

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that's that's that's fascinating so you

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really did meet this guy who was

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delivering pizzas and the bill was

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really eighty eight dollars in 88 cents

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that's great you don't we have the bill

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too it's you know we're going to put

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that out on the internet for everybody

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to see it's just an amazing story and

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he's a he's just a real in so he's a

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real guy you know and another thing to

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there's been a lot of fake documentaries

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out there lately like the the joaquin

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phoenix and you know Leroy is very much

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a real guy and these these people that

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we interviewed were very much real

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people and it's so shocking throughout

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the movie that people just have to say

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could this be real could we really

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really be a real guy that believes us

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and are these people real you know it's

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it's an amazing story now

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me I found in the in the very few clips

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the clips out their wedding the appetite

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oh I saw that Leroy was in a strange way

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quite down-to-earth he's very sincere

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which brings me to the question when you

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were travelling around meeting all these

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people like the human-alien hybrid the

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psychics and all these other people how

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did you find them did you get the

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impression that most of these people

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were let's say sincere if deluded or do

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you think some of them were actually out

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for a quick buck you know I I'm not I i

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I'm torn between that you know that that

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question some of them yes others really

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believe this and you know a lot of

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people even think that you know some of

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these people are you know that they're

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there I guess what we call me no special

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people that they have learning

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disabilities or something because they

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believe that aliens are here well you

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know that's to me that's a it's a bad

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finger to point at people because you

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could turn around and say that to

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Christians or anyone that believes in

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religion because you know just because

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they believe in aliens and then now

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you're believing in you know in God you

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know is everybody have learning

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disabilities so I I don't believe i

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believe it some of these people just you

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know and and they were very genuine

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about it and we found them not by hours

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and hours of research we just typed in

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on the internet and we started they

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popped up everywhere and the seriousness

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of this is that some of these people are

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in financial ruin because of their

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beliefs which was happening to Leroy

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which is what you we did not know to

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what extent until halfway through the

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movie which makes it just a more

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compelling story I can sympathize where

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you're coming from there because

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especially with personally my

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investigations over many years and two

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people who claim to have special powers

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or whatever the case you know sometimes

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I cannot tell whether they're sincere or

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they're not sincere it'sit's can be a

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very very fine fine line but you must

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have met a whole range of these sort of

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people but one of the clips that caught

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my eye from the trailer

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you pulled a stunt and I'd like to talk

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a little bit about how often you pulled

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pranks and stunts as opposed to just

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chatting to people a very funny stunt

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where you had a crop circle made up sure

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you know as a filmmaker and you know the

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the i have ai ai ai ai dab in the

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business side of it more than most

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people was this let's just say that I

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love the art of it but I you know let's

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just face it if you're going to make a

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movie that doesn't make any money you're

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not going to make any of them yeah and I

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don't think that there's a lot of people

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that know what they're doing when it

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comes to that so one of the things about

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calling it god bless america was also

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almost everyone has in this in this

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country for sure has said that term at

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one point or another now every time they

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hear that they'll think of this movie so

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you know as long as they've seen

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something about it or heard about it and

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so that that was a was a business side

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out the rest of the movie itself I knew

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I couldn't make just a your standard

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skeptic movie that that you know maybe

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that I've seen in the past which I've

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seen some videos with just question and

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answering interviews because people some

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point you know only the diehards will

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stay with you at that point um you're

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not going to get the people who just you

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know are interested in knowing but they

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don't want to take the time to really

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listen to an intellectual conversation

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yeah so I had to keep this at the same

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time funny and and after hearing these

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people we didn't have a lot of these

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stunts pre-planned we said you know I I

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mean I basically had lost my cool at

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that point I said listen let's have fun

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with this so with the alien we found we

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put out an ad we said ok we're looking

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for crop circle experts few people

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answer they add we then made one of the

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largest crop circles over in North

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America in the middle of the night in

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four hours and we found that guy from

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craigslist on the internet and we paid

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him a hundred bucks and he helps us make

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this huge middle finger crops to grow

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yes flipping off the sky and so you know

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obviously when when our expert got to

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the crop circle he starts to

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you know the his readings you know which

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they have I guess their magnetic readers

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it was about 10 different ones that they

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use my way humans could that's what I

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did all night I thought I used to think

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cousin ideation did that yes I believe

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it did I'm certain this is the real deal

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well he was actually using scientific

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looking equipment well he was and you

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know it what it does is it it measures

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the electromagnetic field of the circle

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itself and if it picks up a reading then

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obviously it was a UFO well that's

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ludicrous because when we're stepping on

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this corn and we're you know with our

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with our wood and on ropes the corn is

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hitting each other and it's creating

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friction which is creating a magnetic

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field so anybody any of them is going to

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have it you walking around in the high

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grass for a while it's going to make the

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same reading so you know just unfounded

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evidence the guy is reaction as you can

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see on the internet if you just Google

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god bless america gawwd you'll see his

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reaction okay well talk to the cockatiel

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right now the best part what do you

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think thinking right about now I don't

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know I think it'd be pretty surprised at

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the very least I think surprised as his

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reaction now we did those kind of stunts

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about three or four times through the

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movie and one of them we did to save

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Leroy's home not full people but to

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prove a point and it was a it's a great

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great ending now something that really

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caught my attention about the making of

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this movie I think you went one stage

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you were chased by Nazis and you've been

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threatened to be sued and you're even

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shot at all this that's correct and

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you'll see you'll see all of those

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things and we're not quite sure if

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you'll see the the part where we were

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shot at because that's an ongoing kind

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of thing voila we'll leave it at that it

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definitely makes for a good movie though

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I bet it has an ally some of my

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listeners might know I've made the odd

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documentary here in Australia myself

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over beers but I have never been shot

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out and I've never been chased by Nazis

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so you've got me on that one you know

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you never know what you're stepping into

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and that's another thing too when people

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really when they're that I guess what's

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the word I'm looking for when that

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passionate about their beliefs some of

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them don't take too kindly for when you

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ask a question and you know even though

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it is a question and it for me to in my

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mind if they blow up that easy then

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they're obviously have some doubt and

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they don't like anybody else bring it

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down on to them this is exactly the

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experience that other skeptics around

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the will defend and I include myself in

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that when you start to question people's

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beliefs a lot of them can get very angry

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very quickly and you always left

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wondering or why are they so defensive

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it's a very interesting angle now the

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movie is called Grodd or however you

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pronounce it god bless america it's a

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good release date of the fourth of march

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in the United States it's a 90-minute

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documentary and we're looking forward

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and I really don't know and I wonder if

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you know if there's any plans to have it

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shown internationally it is in fact

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Australia is is that's our first foreign

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market so that's the guy riding yeah we

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will be making the announcement very

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soon for that one as well but that is a

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place we're going if you come if you

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come over here for the gala premiere

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I'll be there to cover for sure for the

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skeptic zone but for the moment Blake

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Freeman were all looking forward to the

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movie and for more information people

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can visit the this website at Facebook

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absolutely just just search god Bless

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America gawwd Bless America and it'll

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take you right to it and I really

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appreciate your time Richard not a

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problem like look forward to catching up

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with you at tam 9 yeah we'll see you

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rational capital the podcast for science

462
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and skepticism in and about Canberra say

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it like you mean it there's nothing

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magical miraculous about that find out

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here's main art spooky action at a

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I'm just at the CSIRO in Mayfield West

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here and I was told I was to see a new

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development in energy I expected to see

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a golf ball sized piece of material that

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could live inside being shot at a whole

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bunch of lasers that could run Newcastle

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for three years that's not that I

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thought there might be some photovoltaic

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cells that we're here and all these

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panels will be twisting around in the

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wind now I can see what looks like an

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abandoned drive-in movie theater with a

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big tower in front of it butts not big

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enough for a screen all these things are

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wrong who am I talking to and why am I

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so wrong when y x robbie McNorton on one

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of the engineers here at CSIRO good so

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you know what's actually going on here

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so where's the golf ball sized material

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that's supposed to be running the city

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for three years I expected well we're

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not actually working on that we're

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working on concentrating the solar

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energy into heat that sounds like a

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really sensible thing because we've got

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lots of Sun in Australia and lots of

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land that's right and it's very similar

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to when you're a little kid news to use

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magnifying glass to burn things this is

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exactly the same concept except we're

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not burnt we're not going to burn

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anything we're just going to heat things

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up I just stick coco pops up my nose

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when I was a kid as an energy source in

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that well you could try i guess if that

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does leave it a terminal velocity just a

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matter of capturing it really so it's an

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amazing area in front of us here it's

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got lots of little drive-in speakers in

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front of a tower now what is the actual

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stats on this so people can can figure

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out how big it is because you're not

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going to be able to fit this in your

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backyard unless you don't want a dog

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anywhere to play no that's right so what

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you end up with is four and a half

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thousand square meters of mirrors and

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they'll all focus up onto this 30 meter

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high tower where we'll fit our receiver

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and our turbine this particular site

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will be finished hopefully in January

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and we'll start the initial testing

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basically in February straight after

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that and what's the price tag on this I

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know this is a one-off being built for

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experimentation but how much as it was

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ok so this projects funded by the

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Australian solar Institute as part of

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their initial funding in their

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foundation projects and it was a 5

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million dollar project once we're

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complete which will happen early in the

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new year we will fit each of these

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little posts with mirrors on them with a

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very very small amount of curvature on

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so they focus the Sun into a very small

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spot and each of these will be

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individually controlled so

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that they all focus on to a single point

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on at the top of the tower and that's

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where we'll collect the solar energy so

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what happens is we use a compressor to

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force the air through our solar receiver

539
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there it will heat up to almost a

540
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thousand degrees and once it's at at

541
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:38,560
that temperature it expands so that we

542
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:40,090
can put it through a turbine and make

543
00:23:44,430 --> 00:23:41,770
the turbine spin which we connect a

544
00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:44,440
generator to and how much power can you

545
00:23:48,330 --> 00:23:45,700
expect to get out of an operation this

546
00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:48,340
size we expect to get somewhere close to

547
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:50,590
200 kilowatts of electricity and how

548
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:52,090
does that translate is compared to what

549
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,410
we'd normally know from a coal-fired

550
00:23:58,530 --> 00:23:55,840
power station so one of the coal-fired

551
00:24:00,420 --> 00:23:58,540
power stations in the Hunter Valley at

552
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:00,430
the moment may run into hundreds of

553
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:02,170
megawatts but this type of technology

554
00:24:06,410 --> 00:24:05,050
this is the largest demonstration of the

555
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:06,420
technology in the world at the moment

556
00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:09,070
but certainly it's scalable up into the

557
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,140
tens of mega Watson and maybe even 100

558
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,840
kilowatts has the potential to be

559
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:15,760
actually commercially viable in the

560
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:17,290
right location ok this would be enough

561
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:18,910
for a small town something that's right

562
00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:20,650
so maybe a couple of thousand people

563
00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:22,780
this could support we're going to have

564
00:24:26,790 --> 00:24:24,790
the scaffolding there for probably about

565
00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:26,800
a month as we fit the tower out you

566
00:24:31,020 --> 00:24:29,230
don't trust the builders no well it's

567
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:31,030
very important because eventually we're

568
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:34,090
going to put a lift in there as well no

569
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:35,050
when did you say they're going to fire

570
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,400
this up for the first time and it it

571
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:38,080
won't look like a transformers thing and

572
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:40,090
beam won't go out gets little be fairly

573
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,770
subtle in a far as I plant it no that's

574
00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:42,880
right you might actually see the light

575
00:24:46,530 --> 00:24:44,230
going up there but certainly where it

576
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:46,540
hits at the receiver will be extremely

577
00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:48,910
extremely bright much like a welding

578
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:50,710
flash so you actually need to make sure

579
00:24:55,230 --> 00:24:52,690
you've got the right sunglasses on to

580
00:24:57,030 --> 00:24:55,240
look at it so technically if there was

581
00:25:00,030 --> 00:24:57,040
someone in town who didn't like you

582
00:25:02,790 --> 00:25:00,040
could use this as a death ray not really

583
00:25:04,110 --> 00:25:02,800
because because each of these have focus

584
00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:04,120
points that's what I mean you can focus

585
00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:05,950
the big one at the top but it's someone

586
00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:07,240
in civic park that have pissed you off

587
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:09,700
no but unfortunately the way this works

588
00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:11,410
that it actually dissipate by the time

589
00:25:15,930 --> 00:25:13,480
it got in there so relatively short

590
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,940
focal lengths of 30 to 40 meters then

591
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thank you for changing men talking about

592
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this you have proven that science is

593
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:39,430
astronomy cast it takes a fact space

594
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595
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listeners weekly discussions on

596
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astronomical topics ranging from planets

597
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to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

598
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Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela

599
00:25:54,790 --> 00:25:52,130
gave southern illinois university

600
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edwardsville this show brings the

601
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questions of an avid astronomy lover

602
00:26:01,210 --> 00:25:59,120
directly to an astronomer together

603
00:26:02,740 --> 00:26:01,220
Fraser and I explore what is known and

604
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:02,750
being discovered about the universe

605
00:26:07,570 --> 00:26:05,510
around us join us each week as we take a

606
00:26:18,220 --> 00:26:07,580
fax space journey through the cosmos at

607
00:26:21,910 --> 00:26:18,230
astronomy cast calm and now he is Tracy

608
00:26:25,710 --> 00:26:21,920
Spicer on radio 2ue here in Sydney on

609
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:25,720
the David Oldfield show discussing

610
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Merrill Dory and her latest allegation

611
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:38,020
look I agonized long and hard David

612
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,250
about bringing up this issue again only

613
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:41,600
because I don't want to give this woman

614
00:26:46,210 --> 00:26:43,730
any more publicity than she deserves

615
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:46,220
about a month ago I took to task the

616
00:26:49,810 --> 00:26:47,810
head of the so-called Australian

617
00:26:51,310 --> 00:26:49,820
vaccination Network Merrill Dory now

618
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:51,320
forget about the name of her website she

619
00:26:57,010 --> 00:26:54,710
is an anti waxa on her website she

620
00:26:58,990 --> 00:26:57,020
continues to publish dangerously wrong

621
00:27:01,270 --> 00:26:59,000
information about vaccinations blindly

622
00:27:02,890 --> 00:27:01,280
supporting dr. andrew wakefield who as

623
00:27:04,990 --> 00:27:02,900
you know was found finally by the

624
00:27:07,570 --> 00:27:05,000
British Medical Journal to not only have

625
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:07,580
issued a tainted study erroneously

626
00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:10,310
linking the MMR vaccine with autism but

627
00:27:15,610 --> 00:27:12,470
to have conducted deliberate fraud he

628
00:27:17,620 --> 00:27:15,620
took 400,000 pounds from lawyers who

629
00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:17,630
were fighting the pharmaceutical

630
00:27:21,730 --> 00:27:19,460
companies around is so it's a bloody

631
00:27:23,230 --> 00:27:21,740
disgrace I hung up on merrill dory at

632
00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:23,240
the time because despite the

633
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:24,950
overwhelming body of evidence against

634
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:27,530
that link she continues to perpetrate

635
00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:29,510
these myths on her website and I didn't

636
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:32,120
want to give her a free plug on tue that

637
00:27:35,770 --> 00:27:34,190
interview caused a sensation it made

638
00:27:37,390 --> 00:27:35,780
news around the world I got hundreds of

639
00:27:39,910 --> 00:27:37,400
emails and phone calls from scientists

640
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,920
and epidemiologists delighted this woman

641
00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:41,600
had finally been exposed when

642
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,820
viral as they say it did yeah I learned

643
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:45,440
what going viral means we're just kind

644
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,289
of ironic but it seems that she hasn't

645
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:50,720
learned her lesson David get this last

646
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:53,030
month the family court ordered a sydney

647
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:54,770
mother to immunize her five-year-old

648
00:27:58,690 --> 00:27:56,809
daughter now this was part of a custody

649
00:28:01,120 --> 00:27:58,700
dispute dad wanted his little girl

650
00:28:02,830 --> 00:28:01,130
immunized mum didn't the mother was

651
00:28:05,020 --> 00:28:02,840
criticised in the judgment for

652
00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:05,030
submitting evidence from an immunization

653
00:28:09,010 --> 00:28:07,400
skeptic guess who that was who made what

654
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:09,020
the magistrate described as outlandish

655
00:28:14,649 --> 00:28:11,809
statements unsupported by any empirical

656
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:14,659
evidence in response to this court case

657
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:17,919
Meryl Dory wrote on her blog and i quote

658
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:22,159
court orders rape of a child this is a

659
00:28:27,610 --> 00:28:25,010
salt without consent and with full

660
00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:27,620
penetration too can you believe that are

661
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:29,270
the woman's a lunatic but we find a lot

662
00:28:31,690 --> 00:28:30,169
of this don't we I mean you will

663
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:31,700
remember you remember the couple that

664
00:28:37,810 --> 00:28:34,370
there whose child died because they only

665
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:37,820
fed the child avocado I mean that there

666
00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:40,610
are so many a look if this offends

667
00:28:44,919 --> 00:28:42,440
anybody I'm not apologizing there are so

668
00:28:46,779 --> 00:28:44,929
many weirdos absolute weirdos out there

669
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,789
and these sorts of things fall into that

670
00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:49,039
category this comment about the rape has

671
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,260
created another storm on social

672
00:28:54,940 --> 00:28:53,120
networking sites Merrill dory quickly

673
00:28:56,169 --> 00:28:54,950
took the post down I have a copy of it

674
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:56,179
here i'll be putting it on the to you a

675
00:29:00,039 --> 00:28:57,650
web site for those people who might be

676
00:29:01,180 --> 00:29:00,049
skeptical about all this imagine how

677
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:01,190
this would make the parent of a child

678
00:29:05,860 --> 00:29:04,130
who was raped feel that's being sexually

679
00:29:08,649 --> 00:29:05,870
abused is like being jabbed with a tiny

680
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:08,659
needle what do you think 13 13 32 or you

681
00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:10,850
can tweet me at at Spicer Tracy or get

682
00:29:16,060 --> 00:29:13,190
on to our website to you a calm day you

683
00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:16,070
peter is here hi Peter all right hey

684
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,640
going but thanks I've been hauling Meryl

685
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:21,919
Dory for many years in fact I've been

686
00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:24,289
subject to abuse by her and because I

687
00:29:29,169 --> 00:29:26,360
don't think like what she does I wasn't

688
00:29:30,909 --> 00:29:29,179
so surprised by the rape statement this

689
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:30,919
is a person that when defending a person

690
00:29:35,620 --> 00:29:33,110
who killed a 10 week old baby use the

691
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:35,630
expressions shaken baby syndrome because

692
00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:37,370
after all shaken baby syndrome is caused

693
00:29:43,870 --> 00:29:42,500
by vaccinations right I haven't read

694
00:29:46,210 --> 00:29:43,880
some of that stuff that misinformation

695
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,220
out there about shaken baby syndrome

696
00:29:50,409 --> 00:29:48,559
it's extraordinary yep she also

697
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:50,419
described Wizards with benign at one

698
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:52,850
stage kill at that stage it was killing

699
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:54,200
a thousand children that died around the

700
00:29:59,040 --> 00:29:55,050
world

701
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,050
um it's just unbelievable so I wasn't

702
00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:00,640
very surprised but it's a typical action

703
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:04,060
from anti-vaccination movement but they

704
00:30:06,990 --> 00:30:05,530
they really don't i don't think they

705
00:30:08,790 --> 00:30:07,000
care about the truth at all event

706
00:30:10,770 --> 00:30:08,800
information about measles being benign

707
00:30:14,790 --> 00:30:10,780
stayed on their website for a long long

708
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,800
time I'm some sort of crazy statements

709
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:17,440
as well it's consistent so when the

710
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:18,850
right thing came out eyes of course I

711
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:22,090
was a ball but it was a bit of a pattern

712
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:25,330
it was and then the hooker so apology

713
00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:27,910
was not to apologize at all if I weekend

714
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:29,500
it well we can take it that if she has

715
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:31,210
nothing else she has consistency in her

716
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:34,330
craziness oh yeah it's definitely invest

717
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:36,220
but thanks because we think that is

718
00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:51,450
this is desiree shell a host of Canadian

719
00:31:00,320 --> 00:30:53,380
radio shows skeptically speaking in

720
00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:03,409
now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

721
00:31:12,860 --> 00:31:09,539
with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello listeners

722
00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:12,870
and welcome to dr. Rachel reports well

723
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:14,760
apparently this week in Australia has

724
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:17,640
been medicinewise week I didn't know

725
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:19,890
about this until out of curiosity I went

726
00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:21,539
to a website which has been heavily

727
00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:23,220
advertised over the last week on

728
00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:25,799
Australian television it's called the

729
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:28,950
NPS website why should I care what's in

730
00:31:32,539 --> 00:31:30,539
the medicines I take you care about

731
00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:32,549
what's in your cereal why should I even

732
00:31:36,980 --> 00:31:34,470
think about medicines happen enough

733
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:36,990
things to think about like wearing on

734
00:31:41,299 --> 00:31:39,330
saturday night why don't I worry about

735
00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:41,309
what I put in on their medicine is

736
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:43,350
something we all take the too often take

737
00:31:50,299 --> 00:31:46,110
for granted okay why don't we think

738
00:31:52,129 --> 00:31:50,309
about this stuff why good question ask

739
00:31:53,779 --> 00:31:52,139
the right questions she can make better

740
00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:53,789
decisions about your health be

741
00:31:57,860 --> 00:31:56,070
medicinewise find out how an NPS that

742
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:57,870
all that are you I knew of this

743
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,880
Australian government organization since

744
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:02,340
I follow them on Twitter but only after

745
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,380
visiting the website did I discover they

746
00:32:08,860 --> 00:32:06,240
provide information on medicines for

747
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:08,870
consumers and health professionals alike

748
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:11,730
plus they are behind medicinewise week

749
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:14,100
from january thirtieth to februari sixth

750
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:18,090
2011 so in light of the world wide 1023

751
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,980
campaign which was conducted all over

752
00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:22,559
the world this weekend just passed in

753
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:23,960
fact every continent including

754
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,820
Antarctica was represented and if you

755
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:29,039
haven't seen Paul Willis's video from

756
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,529
Antarctica i recommend you search for it

757
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:34,200
it's very funny so I thought I would

758
00:32:38,419 --> 00:32:35,970
pose as a consumer and search for

759
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:38,429
information about homeopathy on the NPS

760
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,730
website like homeopathy itself what I

761
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:43,679
turned up was minimal and not very

762
00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:46,380
useful I'll explain more about this a

763
00:32:50,629 --> 00:32:48,419
bit later but first as I was surfing

764
00:32:53,419 --> 00:32:50,639
around the side I found a press release

765
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:53,429
about a survey of Australians knowledge

766
00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:56,490
of medicines 1500 consumers were

767
00:33:00,500 --> 00:32:58,740
surveyed and the results reported that

768
00:33:02,269 --> 00:33:00,510
sixty-five percent had used a

769
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:02,279
prescription medicine in the last three

770
00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:04,710
months sixty percent had used an

771
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,230
over-the-counter medicine and forty-five

772
00:33:13,149 --> 00:33:09,600
percent had used an alternative or herb

773
00:33:16,269 --> 00:33:13,159
or medicine NPS clinical advisor dr.

774
00:33:18,249 --> 00:33:16,279
elster wassa said the first step to

775
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:18,259
being medicinewise is knowing what is a

776
00:33:24,219 --> 00:33:21,200
medicine medicines include tablets

777
00:33:26,739 --> 00:33:24,229
vitamins herbs eyedrops creams and gels

778
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:26,749
and medicines don't just come on

779
00:33:30,729 --> 00:33:28,970
prescriptions but include things brought

780
00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:30,739
in a pharmacy supermarket and other

781
00:33:36,249 --> 00:33:33,229
stores and from naturopaths and herb

782
00:33:38,669 --> 00:33:36,259
lists but thinking back to homeopathy

783
00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:38,679
here's where I began to get concerned

784
00:33:44,139 --> 00:33:42,739
the survey also said encouragingly when

785
00:33:45,849 --> 00:33:44,149
asked where they would go to find

786
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,859
accurate information about medicines

787
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:48,320
most respondents said a pharmacist

788
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:51,049
sixty-four percent of people and/or a

789
00:33:55,419 --> 00:33:53,450
doctor sixty percent of people so

790
00:33:56,979 --> 00:33:55,429
sixty-four percent said they could get

791
00:33:59,649 --> 00:33:56,989
accurate information about their

792
00:34:01,330 --> 00:33:59,659
medicines from a pharmacist now I have

793
00:34:03,489 --> 00:34:01,340
no doubt that this is correct for most

794
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:03,499
conventional or science based medicines

795
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:06,320
but I have repeatedly asked pharmacists

796
00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:08,690
about homeopathy and only once was i

797
00:34:14,799 --> 00:34:10,460
given at an accurate description of what

798
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:14,809
it is and what it does once and in a

799
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:17,210
certain pharmacy in Newtown I have been

800
00:34:21,309 --> 00:34:19,190
not so politely shuffled to the door

801
00:34:24,460 --> 00:34:21,319
when asking too many questions of the

802
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,470
shop assistants about homeopathy so

803
00:34:29,649 --> 00:34:26,960
sadly in my experience consumers cannot

804
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:29,659
rely on pharmacists to accurately advise

805
00:34:34,569 --> 00:34:32,480
them about homeopathy so I expected a

806
00:34:37,269 --> 00:34:34,579
quick trip to the heavily promoted NPS

807
00:34:39,399 --> 00:34:37,279
website would do the trick but a search

808
00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:39,409
for homeopathy turns up one link to a

809
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,480
generic page on complementary medicines

810
00:34:46,990 --> 00:34:44,000
where homeopathy is cited but not

811
00:34:49,389 --> 00:34:47,000
explained a search for homeopathic turns

812
00:34:52,059 --> 00:34:49,399
up a link to a video which likewise

813
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,069
doesn't address homeopathy directly and

814
00:34:56,589 --> 00:34:53,839
in fact could even be construed as

815
00:34:59,890 --> 00:34:56,599
misleading an excerpt from the

816
00:35:01,809 --> 00:34:59,900
transcript follows manufacturers of

817
00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:01,819
non-prescription medicines sold in

818
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,740
Australia must ensure that their

819
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:05,839
products meet certain quality and safety

820
00:35:09,490 --> 00:35:08,210
standards however when it comes to

821
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:09,500
providing evidence for their

822
00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:11,569
effectiveness they're not tested as

823
00:35:16,510 --> 00:35:13,579
thoroughly as prescription and pharmacy

824
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:16,520
medicines this less thorough testing

825
00:35:20,319 --> 00:35:18,410
does not mean that these medicines don't

826
00:35:22,569 --> 00:35:20,329
work rather it means that the

827
00:35:24,910 --> 00:35:22,579
manufacturers don't have to provide as

828
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:24,920
much scientific evidence as they do for

829
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:27,370
prescription and pharmacy medicine

830
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:30,110
when you are choosing a traditional or

831
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:31,970
horrible medicine obtain as much

832
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:34,130
information about it and it's used as

833
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:37,370
you can now I doubt there would be any

834
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:39,650
confusion that homeopathic remedies are

835
00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:42,110
not prescription medicines but they

836
00:35:46,750 --> 00:35:44,270
could certainly be considered pharmacy

837
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:46,760
medicines after all they are sold in

838
00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:48,890
pharmacies alongside science-based

839
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,460
remedies so in fact this video implies

840
00:35:57,970 --> 00:35:55,040
it since homeopathy for all intents and

841
00:35:59,650 --> 00:35:57,980
purposes is of pharmacy medicine then it

842
00:36:02,620 --> 00:35:59,660
is tested just like prescription

843
00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:02,630
medicines now of course this is simply

844
00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:04,790
not true in fact some homeopathic

845
00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:07,070
remedies are exempt from the Australian

846
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:09,260
register of therapeutic goods which is a

847
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:11,570
list of approved medicines and devices

848
00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:14,810
because in many cases they are so dilute

849
00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:16,670
that they no longer contain active

850
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:19,460
ingredients thus there is nothing to

851
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:21,290
regulate if there is nothing in the

852
00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:25,010
medicine the TGA or the Therapeutic

853
00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:27,740
Goods Administration website states that

854
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:30,200
homeopathic preparations are exempt from

855
00:36:36,580 --> 00:36:33,650
their list of drugs if quote they are

856
00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:36,590
more dilute than a 1000-fold dilution of

857
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:38,660
a mother tincture and which are not

858
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:41,210
required to be sterile and which do not

859
00:36:48,370 --> 00:36:44,330
include an ingredient of a human origin

860
00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:48,380
or be animal origin so unless you

861
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:50,180
started with a mother tincture derived

862
00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:53,030
from animal or human sources and it's

863
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:55,790
less than a thousandfold diluted the

864
00:37:00,460 --> 00:36:57,050
government is not particularly

865
00:37:03,010 --> 00:37:00,470
interested in your product makes sense I

866
00:37:05,650 --> 00:37:03,020
guess since sugar pills and water with a

867
00:37:08,350 --> 00:37:05,660
dash of alcohol won't do you any direct

868
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:08,360
harm even more bizarre is that when

869
00:37:12,970 --> 00:37:10,130
homeopathy is not sold through

870
00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:12,980
pharmacies it is exempt from the TGA

871
00:37:19,150 --> 00:37:16,340
zone advertising standards here's what

872
00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:19,160
the TGA website says a homeopathic

873
00:37:23,860 --> 00:37:21,230
product can carry claims which do not

874
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:23,870
comply with the tj's advertising code

875
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:26,960
and may still be listed in the artg

876
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:29,810
however the label on the container and

877
00:37:33,790 --> 00:37:31,910
on the primary pack must include a

878
00:37:35,830 --> 00:37:33,800
statement to indicate that the

879
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:35,840
indications have not been approved by

880
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:39,410
the TGA now to make it even more

881
00:37:42,730 --> 00:37:40,760
confusing

882
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,740
description of homeopathy on the TGA

883
00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:44,960
website is also not very helpful to

884
00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:47,960
uninformed consumers homeopathic

885
00:37:53,230 --> 00:37:50,740
preparations are defined by the TGA as

886
00:37:55,570 --> 00:37:53,240
formulated for use on the principle that

887
00:37:58,330 --> 00:37:55,580
it is capable of producing in a healthy

888
00:38:01,000 --> 00:37:58,340
person symptoms similar to those which

889
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:01,010
it is administered to alleviate so this

890
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,970
is the light treats like part and

891
00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:06,320
prepared according to the practices of

892
00:38:11,410 --> 00:38:08,630
homeopathic pharmacy using the methods

893
00:38:14,350 --> 00:38:11,420
of serial dilution and sir kush enough a

894
00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:14,360
mother tincture in water ethanol aqueous

895
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:17,030
ethanol or glycerol or cereal tritter

896
00:38:22,540 --> 00:38:20,690
ation in lactose so wouldn't it be much

897
00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:22,550
simpler to say there's nothing in it and

898
00:38:27,070 --> 00:38:25,190
there's no evidence that it works do

899
00:38:29,020 --> 00:38:27,080
they really think consumers are going to

900
00:38:31,870 --> 00:38:29,030
know what's a cushion and cereal trigger

901
00:38:35,290 --> 00:38:31,880
ation means like pretty much all of

902
00:38:37,420 --> 00:38:35,300
homeopathy it's gobbledygook but the

903
00:38:40,690 --> 00:38:37,430
facts remain that homeopathy is indeed

904
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:40,700
listed on the artg meaning it is

905
00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:42,650
assigned an official-looking government

906
00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:44,420
number which therefore lens at

907
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,140
legitimacy for example brower natural

908
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:50,000
medicine children's cold and flu relief

909
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,310
is listed as hasta el 13 2568 the fact

910
00:38:59,140 --> 00:38:57,200
sheet for this product states that all

911
00:39:02,830 --> 00:38:59,150
the ingredients exist at a thousandfold

912
00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:02,840
dilution I found 37 listings for Brauer

913
00:39:07,690 --> 00:39:04,940
homeopathic medicines including

914
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:07,700
children's cough relief hangover relief

915
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:10,400
oral spray and natural medicine burn

916
00:39:16,090 --> 00:39:13,310
cream interestingly sleep and insomnia

917
00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:16,100
relief the sleeping tablets popular

918
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:18,740
amongst 10 23 overdose participants are

919
00:39:23,950 --> 00:39:21,950
not listed on the artg since the active

920
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:23,960
ingredients are diluted much more than a

921
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:28,490
thousand times so whilst homeopathy is

922
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,130
sold in pharmacies many pharmacists

923
00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:33,440
don't know what it is in fact some like

924
00:39:38,890 --> 00:39:35,630
many consumers think it is a horrible

925
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:38,900
medicine so what have I learned in

926
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,050
medicine wise week well firstly the

927
00:39:46,930 --> 00:39:43,760
australian government seems confused

928
00:39:49,390 --> 00:39:46,940
about homeopathy i was unable to find a

929
00:39:51,970 --> 00:39:49,400
clear and concise explanation of what it

930
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:51,980
is on their official website and they

931
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:53,510
appear to be bundling it in with

932
00:39:56,890 --> 00:39:54,560
pharmacy medicine

933
00:39:59,680 --> 00:39:56,900
therefore implying that it works and

934
00:40:01,810 --> 00:39:59,690
further their lending at legitimacy by

935
00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:01,820
designating it official looking numbers

936
00:40:06,670 --> 00:40:03,950
on the official register of government

937
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:06,680
approved medicines it's no wonder the

938
00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:09,650
public remains confused and no wonder it

939
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,020
is left to the 1023 campaign to increase

940
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:14,720
awareness that homeopathy there's

941
00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:17,180
nothing in it if you want to make a

942
00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:19,430
comment about this week's episode you

943
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:21,380
can find the transcript at skeptics book

944
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:24,170
calm and until next time this has been

945
00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:35,360
dr. Reggie reports look the Rachel

946
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:37,070
Dunlop is one of Australia's foremost

947
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:39,710
media commentators in matters concerning

948
00:40:45,370 --> 00:40:42,770
so-called alternative medicine she has

949
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:45,380
appeared on national radio and national

950
00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:47,930
television dr. H E is available for

951
00:41:06,660 --> 00:40:50,830
interviews and you can contact her at

952
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,349
on a fine hot sunny sydney morning a

953
00:41:18,250 --> 00:41:14,480
group of skeptics gathered nearly Sydney

954
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:18,260
Opera House two down copious amounts of

955
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:21,049
sleeping bills but fear not of course

956
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:23,450
they were homeopathic sleeping pills

957
00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:26,660
which means they were really sugar pills

958
00:41:35,289 --> 00:41:29,720
on the scene for the skeptic zone was

959
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,299
our very own dr. Rachel Dunlop and i'm

960
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:38,000
here at the 10 23 homeopathy overdose in

961
00:41:42,609 --> 00:41:39,890
sydney with one of the organizers

962
00:41:44,289 --> 00:41:42,619
bastard sheep hi bastard sheep hey Rach

963
00:41:45,849 --> 00:41:44,299
you how you going you also have another

964
00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:45,859
name don't you can I just call you James

965
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:49,700
if you want to you okay so James tell me

966
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:52,700
why are we here today well we're here to

967
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:54,710
show the public what homeopathy actually

968
00:41:58,779 --> 00:41:57,170
is most people are rather confused about

969
00:42:00,640 --> 00:41:58,789
what is I think it's a natural medicine

970
00:42:02,170 --> 00:42:00,650
or something like that when really it's

971
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,180
got nothing to do with natural medicine

972
00:42:06,789 --> 00:42:05,119
at all what they do is they diluted look

973
00:42:08,829 --> 00:42:06,799
quite a bit so they take one drop of

974
00:42:11,490 --> 00:42:08,839
whatever material is that putting in it

975
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:11,500
such as Kofi which is just plain coffee

976
00:42:17,289 --> 00:42:14,150
drop it in 200 milliliters of distilled

977
00:42:19,059 --> 00:42:17,299
water shake that up bang it on some

978
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,069
leather shake it up some more banging on

979
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:20,720
some weather and I take another milk

980
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,599
from that bottle put into 100 ml of some

981
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:26,240
more water and this dilution which is

982
00:42:31,210 --> 00:42:28,730
what is really somehow makes a stronger

983
00:42:32,829 --> 00:42:31,220
I it doesn't make any sense yeah it's a

984
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:32,839
funny concept isn't it it's the more

985
00:42:36,910 --> 00:42:34,730
dilute it is the stronger it actually is

986
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:36,920
that's the concept isn't it that's right

987
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:38,930
yeah and they do it up to 200 sometimes

988
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:42,079
even 500 times so we've got some

989
00:42:46,450 --> 00:42:43,730
homeopathy here today James and we're

990
00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:46,460
going to attempt to overdose on it as a

991
00:42:50,980 --> 00:42:48,680
demonstration that there's nothing in it

992
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:50,990
so what sort of homeopathy r you can

993
00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:53,210
overdose on today we've got some browse

994
00:42:56,650 --> 00:42:54,950
sleeping insomnia pills which shard

995
00:42:58,059 --> 00:42:56,660
whether they work on sleep or were they

996
00:42:59,769 --> 00:42:58,069
working insomnia we're still trying to

997
00:43:03,190 --> 00:42:59,779
figure that one out I've actually been

998
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:03,200
taking this oral spray for the last day

999
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:05,510
and a half and I have barely had any

1000
00:43:08,980 --> 00:43:07,130
sleep at all I just have not been able

1001
00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:08,990
to sleep well that's because it's sleep

1002
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:09,470
relief

1003
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:11,270
right so if we can relieve insomnia

1004
00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:14,690
relief we don't really do so whatever it

1005
00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:17,240
is it cancels out your sleep I guess so

1006
00:43:22,030 --> 00:43:19,190
all right so James do you expect that

1007
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:22,040
you'll survive today is overdose I I'm

1008
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:23,810
expecting to have absolutely nothing

1009
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,849
happen whatsoever because well these are

1010
00:43:29,230 --> 00:43:27,680
just sugar tablets and nothing else well

1011
00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:29,240
last year you overdosed and then you

1012
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:31,430
fell asleep 12 hours afterwards roughly

1013
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:32,930
and woke up eight hours later is that

1014
00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:36,530
right yes um it's very very confusing

1015
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:38,060
because it just happened to be in with

1016
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:40,010
my normal sleep cycle okay well good

1017
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:42,170
like today and I hope you survived that

1018
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:47,599
over day thank you very much and welcome

1019
00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:50,090
to the 10 23 overdose Richard Saunders

1020
00:43:56,170 --> 00:43:53,270
hello hello dr. AG now it's pretty warm

1021
00:43:59,140 --> 00:43:56,180
day here in Sydney so we're all feeling

1022
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,150
a little bit dehydrated perhaps what do

1023
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:01,760
you think would be useful to help

1024
00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:04,910
reverse our dehydration copious amounts

1025
00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:07,550
of water which by strange coincidence

1026
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:10,280
exactly what homeopathy is isn't that a

1027
00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:12,710
strange coincidence yeah and if you are

1028
00:44:16,329 --> 00:44:14,060
feeling a little bit like you've got a

1029
00:44:18,099 --> 00:44:16,339
little bit of a low blood sugar what

1030
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:18,109
would you suggest could help with that

1031
00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:20,420
possibly large amounts of sugar which by

1032
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:23,270
another strange coincidence is exactly

1033
00:44:28,270 --> 00:44:26,330
what homeopathy also is so are you

1034
00:44:31,329 --> 00:44:28,280
telling me Richard that there's nothing

1035
00:44:33,609 --> 00:44:31,339
in homeopathy except water and/or sugar

1036
00:44:36,849 --> 00:44:33,619
well that's not exactly true there's

1037
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:36,859
also a lot of money there is a lot of

1038
00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:38,930
money isn't there follow the money trail

1039
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:41,060
that's the key yeah follow the money

1040
00:44:47,050 --> 00:44:44,210
listeners now if I could market sugar

1041
00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:47,060
and water at thousands of times their

1042
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:48,830
cost price I'd be rolling in the money

1043
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:51,050
and some people are some people are and

1044
00:44:57,099 --> 00:44:53,690
there is a some home brand or homemade

1045
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:57,109
homeopathy here in Australia and we've

1046
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,970
hypothesized and of course we don't have

1047
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:00,800
evidence for this that we wonder it all

1048
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:03,920
if it's actually if they bother to do

1049
00:45:08,770 --> 00:45:06,410
any of the dilutions and you know take

1050
00:45:10,540 --> 00:45:08,780
one drop and put it into a liter and

1051
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,550
then do that 30 times what do you think

1052
00:45:15,339 --> 00:45:13,280
Richard I'd be surprised if they do if I

1053
00:45:18,430 --> 00:45:15,349
were a major homeopathy company a

1054
00:45:20,190 --> 00:45:18,440
factory I would simply turn out the same

1055
00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:20,200
sugar pills put them in different boxes

1056
00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:22,670
label them differently and send them out

1057
00:45:25,450 --> 00:45:23,150
the farmers

1058
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,460
he's who's going to stop them that's

1059
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,160
right well yeah there's probably not a

1060
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:30,560
lot of regulation one of the problems

1061
00:45:35,710 --> 00:45:32,330
that we have with something we've been

1062
00:45:37,450 --> 00:45:35,720
trying to counteract is that these stuff

1063
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:37,460
is sold in pharmacies isn't it Richard

1064
00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:39,650
it's sold in just about every pharmacy I

1065
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,540
have ever been in this country you can

1066
00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:43,520
find copious amounts of sugar pills the

1067
00:45:48,130 --> 00:45:45,380
strange thing is pharmacies also sell

1068
00:45:49,690 --> 00:45:48,140
our jelly beans for a fraction of the

1069
00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:49,700
price and you get a lot more bang for

1070
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:51,350
your buck you get a lot more sugar and

1071
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:54,560
glucose and and two children like jelly

1072
00:45:57,940 --> 00:45:56,390
beans far more than homeopathy I think

1073
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:57,950
they do I think they do but one of the

1074
00:46:01,930 --> 00:45:59,330
things that homie up with you people say

1075
00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:01,940
is that children they can take

1076
00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:03,590
homeopathy because it's very safe and

1077
00:46:06,610 --> 00:46:05,030
there's no side effects but if there are

1078
00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:06,620
no side effects what does that generally

1079
00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:08,900
mean if there are no side effects it

1080
00:46:12,850 --> 00:46:10,580
generally means there are no effects to

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00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:12,860
begin with now I liken homing up

1082
00:46:18,310 --> 00:46:15,950
homeopathy to a a swimming pool in more

1083
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,320
than one way or the safety if you

1084
00:46:21,550 --> 00:46:19,760
because there are people out there who

1085
00:46:23,740 --> 00:46:21,560
say you can vaccinate children using

1086
00:46:26,530 --> 00:46:23,750
water homeopathy right it's like saying

1087
00:46:28,210 --> 00:46:26,540
if you put a chalk line around your

1088
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:28,220
swimming pool it's the same as a child

1089
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,370
proof fence it's just ridiculous and of

1090
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:32,960
course it's very irresponsible isn't it

1091
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:34,610
because we have had cases in Australia

1092
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,070
where children have died because they

1093
00:46:41,410 --> 00:46:39,040
haven't received conventional

1094
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:41,420
science-based medicine instead they've

1095
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:43,850
been given homeopathy and they've died

1096
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:46,730
as a result so it's not just this is a

1097
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:48,710
serious issue in many ways isn't it it's

1098
00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:51,770
absolutely a serious issue and apart

1099
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,480
from anything else apart from the health

1100
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,760
concerns it's also consumer affairs

1101
00:47:00,670 --> 00:46:58,160
consumers are being ripped off because

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00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:00,680
on the packets they buying this in the

1103
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:02,540
supermarket's I guess and the pharmacies

1104
00:47:08,350 --> 00:47:05,510
it's the labelings all wrong there's

1105
00:47:09,850 --> 00:47:08,360
nothing in homeopathy well good luck

1106
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:09,860
today Richard and I hope to see you

1107
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:20,160
so ratbag what is it that you've got

1108
00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:22,180
here okay you can buy those things

1109
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:25,240
called homeopathic peel yields and for

1110
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:26,950
example they actually retail for fifteen

1111
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:29,050
cents each if you go and buy them from

1112
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:32,740
reputable homeopaths I'm sorry I know I

1113
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:37,930
know that's just words okay I went out

1114
00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:39,690
live what's up something what they are

1115
00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:41,320
investigating the fans they actually

1116
00:47:45,210 --> 00:47:43,270
white hundreds and thousands so I bought

1117
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:45,220
myself a bottle and it cost me eight

1118
00:47:50,010 --> 00:47:48,310
dollars 95 and i estimate that if i was

1119
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:50,020
to package that up as i did in my

1120
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:51,310
homeopath and sell them i can get about

1121
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:53,050
i think about eight and nine thousand

1122
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:54,130
dollars as a minimum made up about

1123
00:47:59,610 --> 00:47:56,290
fourteen thousand dollars so contents at

1124
00:48:01,530 --> 00:47:59,620
that bottle now if i want to make a 200

1125
00:48:02,730 --> 00:48:01,540
c peel you or I would have to spend

1126
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:02,740
about half an hour preparing the

1127
00:48:06,810 --> 00:48:05,200
material you know I have to get in a

1128
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:06,820
little dropper and put a drop on that

1129
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:09,310
let it dry out no wonder they charge 15

1130
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:12,190
cents each for I see in your hand there

1131
00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:13,930
you've got about 14,000 others with her

1132
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,420
hand used about 14 down in that hand

1133
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:17,920
they're probably only about a couple

1134
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:20,470
hundred dollars with but it's actually

1135
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:21,730
outright fraud they know what they're

1136
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:23,770
doing nobody goes through the process of

1137
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:26,890
making of spending an hour and a half to

1138
00:48:29,550 --> 00:48:28,210
prepare the stuff to make one of these

1139
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:29,560
pills no lack a few of those pills and

1140
00:48:32,550 --> 00:48:31,090
put them in a bottle they pour them from

1141
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:32,560
a bottle they write a label on it they

1142
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:35,160
give it to your neck collect your money

1143
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,650
and here we are at the 10 23 overdose in

1144
00:48:42,780 --> 00:48:41,200
Sydney Australia and we're all going to

1145
00:48:58,089 --> 00:48:42,790
overdose on a homeopathic sleeping

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00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:01,309
hello I'm James Randi founder of the

1147
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:05,099
James Randi Educational Foundation in my

1148
00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:07,650
books and in presentations all over the

1149
00:49:13,059 --> 00:49:10,859
world I've used demonstrations to show

1150
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:13,069
audiences the importance of thinking

1151
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:16,619
skeptically about pseudoscience one

1152
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:18,569
demonstration I've done many times

1153
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:21,770
consists of downing at entire package of

1154
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:25,410
32 homeopathic sleeping pills the

1155
00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:27,720
recommended dosage by the way is two to

1156
00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:30,030
three tablets just to show that these

1157
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:33,540
scam medications have no effects now

1158
00:49:38,299 --> 00:49:35,730
there's a warning on the box saying to

1159
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:38,309
call your local poison control center in

1160
00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:41,160
case of an overdose but that's a joke

1161
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:44,579
most homeopathic remedies have no active

1162
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:47,010
ingredients whatsoever even though

1163
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:49,619
they're sold by major pharmacies right

1164
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:52,440
alongside real medicine every reputable

1165
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,530
medical study of these fake drugs has

1166
00:50:01,940 --> 00:49:57,960
shown them to have no more effect than

1167
00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:01,950
sugar pills or pure water homeopathy is

1168
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:03,960
one of the biggest health scams in

1169
00:50:09,289 --> 00:50:06,089
America and it's a problem around the

1170
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,299
globe that's why today hundreds of

1171
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,760
consumer advocates in more than 25

1172
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:13,920
countries and more than a dozen US

1173
00:50:21,140 --> 00:50:16,740
cities are joining forces in an effort

1174
00:50:23,780 --> 00:50:21,150
called the 1023 challenge they're taking

1175
00:50:25,549 --> 00:50:23,790
public actions and doing overdose

1176
00:50:28,099 --> 00:50:25,559
demonstration just like the one I've

1177
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:28,109
been doing for years together we're

1178
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:30,270
telling the public the truth about

1179
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:33,770
homeopathy there's nothing in it

1180
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:36,450
purveyors of homeopathy say that these

1181
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:39,180
demonstrations prove that homeopathy is

1182
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:42,569
safe nonsense what we're demonstrating

1183
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:45,720
is not that homeopathy is safe but that

1184
00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:47,640
homeopathic preparations are not

1185
00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:51,000
medicine and they have no effect good or

1186
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:53,460
bad except to flatten your wallet and

1187
00:50:59,299 --> 00:50:56,760
ignore real medical assistance if you're

1188
00:51:02,330 --> 00:50:59,309
healthy then taking no medicine at all

1189
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,340
is to find but people count on

1190
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:05,280
medicine to heal illness or to immunize

1191
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,640
them against contagious disease taking

1192
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:10,800
homeopathic water or sugar pills instead

1193
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,090
of real medicine can be deadly and it's

1194
00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:16,800
not just the manufacturer to these

1195
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:19,590
products are in to blame pharmacies like

1196
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:22,950
Walgreens rite aid CVS and a lot of

1197
00:51:28,580 --> 00:51:25,500
other major retailers are solid

1198
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:28,590
accomplices in this scam profiting by

1199
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:30,930
keeping unsuspecting customers in the

1200
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,110
dark they sell these fake pills right

1201
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:36,240
alongside the real medicines with no

1202
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:38,910
warning or information about the bogus

1203
00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:42,660
ideas behind homeopathy they simply

1204
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:46,920
don't care but consumers know the facts

1205
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:49,050
about on me about the products they can

1206
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:51,780
avoid them but every day parents of sick

1207
00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:53,610
children are coming home from their

1208
00:51:58,750 --> 00:51:56,430
pharmacy with fake medicine and leaving

1209
00:52:01,580 --> 00:51:58,760
their children in distress because these

1210
00:52:05,060 --> 00:52:01,590
manufacturers and these stores don't

1211
00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:05,070
want consumers to know the truth here's

1212
00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:07,470
the truth about the bad ideas probably

1213
00:52:12,260 --> 00:52:10,350
off the is based on the first idea if

1214
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:12,270
the illness can be treated by a

1215
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:14,490
substance that actually causes the

1216
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,220
symptoms you want to get rid of so to

1217
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:19,680
treat fevers for example they often use

1218
00:52:24,860 --> 00:52:22,380
cayenne pepper since that can produce a

1219
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:24,870
sweat the second idea is that the

1220
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:26,910
looting of substance making it weaker

1221
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:31,020
makes it more effective so they mix a

1222
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:33,900
tiny amount of the substance in a huge

1223
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:37,200
amount of water shake it up and dilute

1224
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:39,900
the mixture in the same way again and

1225
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:42,930
again until they throw without all the

1226
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:44,610
original substance and there's not a

1227
00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:48,540
single atom or molecule of it left this

1228
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,420
plain water is then dripped into vials

1229
00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:54,480
or dropped onto sugar cubes and sold to

1230
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:56,670
parents who are led to believe it will

1231
00:53:01,400 --> 00:52:58,380
relieve their children's fever or other

1232
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:01,410
problems many people think the word

1233
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:04,890
homeopathic just means herbal or natural

1234
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,730
medicine

1235
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:07,200
and they're shocked to learn what it

1236
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:10,440
really means well it should be a crime

1237
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:12,810
for pharmaceutical corporations to

1238
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:15,330
profit by denying the public this

1239
00:53:20,330 --> 00:53:17,910
critical information about the products

1240
00:53:23,180 --> 00:53:20,340
on their shelves customers are paying

1241
00:53:26,540 --> 00:53:23,190
real money for fake medicine that leaves

1242
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:26,550
innocent people sick and suffering this

1243
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:30,330
has to stop today the James Randi

1244
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:32,550
Educational Foundation is issuing a

1245
00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:35,430
challenge to the manufacturers and a

1246
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:37,859
challenge to the retail stores who make

1247
00:53:43,550 --> 00:53:41,970
money Hawking these products first to

1248
00:53:46,070 --> 00:53:43,560
the manufacturers and practice

1249
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:46,080
practitioners pardon me I'll homeopathy

1250
00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:49,490
we challenge you to prove your claims

1251
00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:52,380
prove the scientific studies are wrong

1252
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:54,990
win back your reputation and while

1253
00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:57,720
you're at it when 1 billion dollars for

1254
00:54:02,260 --> 00:54:00,780
you of the charity of your choice submit

1255
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:02,270
your product for a double-blind

1256
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,160
scientific may control test and show

1257
00:54:09,710 --> 00:54:07,280
that its so-called high potency

1258
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:09,720
homeopathic remedy diluted in water

1259
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:11,790
until there's no more of the active

1260
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:14,400
ingredient present is any better at

1261
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:16,710
treating any health problem than just

1262
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,369
plain water that it's based on the

1263
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:21,660
experimental protocol will be designed

1264
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,420
by you and supervised by reputable

1265
00:54:29,330 --> 00:54:26,880
scientists all of which you approve of

1266
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:29,340
and if you can prove that your remedy

1267
00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:31,500
works according to homeopathy principles

1268
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:33,990
that James Randi Educational Foundation

1269
00:54:41,060 --> 00:54:39,330
will give you 1 million dollars it is

1270
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,070
spite of the fact that such tests have

1271
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:43,200
already been done and homeopathy has

1272
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:45,810
always failed we're willing to do it

1273
00:54:52,609 --> 00:54:48,810
again what are you afraid of come on

1274
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:52,619
prove us wrong second to the pharmacies

1275
00:54:58,220 --> 00:54:55,050
and retail stores like CVS Walgreens

1276
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:58,230
rite aid Target and Walmart we challenge

1277
00:55:03,140 --> 00:55:00,800
you to label it for what it really is

1278
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:03,150
your consumers have the right to know

1279
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,420
what they're buying no customer of yours

1280
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:08,700
should ever walk out the door with a

1281
00:55:13,550 --> 00:55:10,859
homeopathic product without knowing

1282
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:13,560
these basic fact one there is no

1283
00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:15,490
evidence of this product does

1284
00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:18,670
it says it does too there is not one bit

1285
00:55:25,350 --> 00:55:22,270
not a single atom of the claimed active

1286
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:25,360
ingredient in this package and three no

1287
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:28,390
US health agency has ever tested or

1288
00:55:35,940 --> 00:55:33,340
approved this product last I encourage

1289
00:55:43,290 --> 00:55:35,950
everyone to visit the 1023 challenge

1290
00:55:47,070 --> 00:55:43,300
website at 10 to three dot o RG dot UK

1291
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:47,080
and visit our website Randy org that's

1292
00:55:52,020 --> 00:55:49,930
Randy with an i get the facts about

1293
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:52,030
homeopathy to share with your friends

1294
00:55:56,910 --> 00:55:54,910
and family our government doesn't

1295
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:56,920
adequately regulate these products and

1296
00:56:01,320 --> 00:55:59,200
the pharmacies don't give you the facts

1297
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:01,330
so you got to think critically and

1298
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:03,730
protect yourself from scams and

1299
00:56:09,859 --> 00:56:07,330
charlatans this is james randi with the

1300
00:56:12,570 --> 00:56:09,869
James Randi Educational Foundation I

1301
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:12,580
won't radost on homeopathy Cleveland

1302
00:56:18,990 --> 00:56:15,310
Pell's many times and my eyes are still

1303
00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:19,000
open see you keep your eyes open too

1304
00:56:25,170 --> 00:56:23,350
okay for more James Randi and the

1305
00:56:34,590 --> 00:56:25,180
Educational Foundation make sure you

1306
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:34,600
visit Randy org you're listening to the

1307
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1310
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1311
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1312
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1313
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see what we can work out so until next

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week this is Richard Saunders signing

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off from Sydney Australia you've been

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listening to the skeptic zone

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visit her website at www skeptic zoomtv